Rudders?

topic posted Thu, June 2, 2005 - 1:00 PM by  Genghis "Doh!"
I'm curious where folks on this tribe fall regarding whether rudders on kayaks are a good or bad thing?
  • Re: Rudders?

    Thu, June 2, 2005 - 1:43 PM
    As I am the only active member of this tribe, let me speak for all tribe members. Being aware of paddle technique can cover almost all of your ruddering needs. In my opinion it enhances your experience without the rudder because, part of the technique is learning how to lean as well as handle the paddle. This combination can be most helpful for handling yourself in situations where you expect to use the rudder when you "really need it".


    Of course it is my opinion and of course some one will argue. However, if you are paddling around for fun and do not have a repertoire of techniques, that rudder comes in handy with currents and wind. After you take a class and understand paddling and flipping etc. You may see that the rudder would tend to clip your experience and actually act as a drag for some things you wish to do.

    Of course I speak for the tribe.

    The rudder does seem like it is cool and gives your feet something to do. But if you want to impress other people, paddle with out it, or with out one.
    • Re: Rudders?

      Tue, July 12, 2005 - 4:57 PM
      <<The rudder does seem like it is cool and gives your feet something to do. But if you want to impress other people, paddle with out it, or with out one.>>

      So, I've been out in my Pereption Swifty a few times now and it's lack of a rudder seems kinda irrelevant (in the small lake where I paddle).

      Visited the big REI in Seattle last weekend (God, that was practically a religious experience. Great budget danger too.) and had a good talk with a guy in the watercraft area who has me about talked into aiming for a skeg instead of a rudder, when I really get into touring. The Necky Chatham 17 is looking mighty fine right now, though I'll want to rent it and some other tourers in the 1-2 years before I step up...
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        Re: Rudders?

        Tue, July 12, 2005 - 7:34 PM
        For really good rudderless designs & really good skegs, check out Eddyline.
        Rudders are real mixed bag, Good & Bad... I am liking retractable, adjustable skegs more & more...
  • Re: Rudders?

    Thu, June 2, 2005 - 1:51 PM
    i'll be active.....i have 2 folbots without rudders & 2 folbots with. i love them all, but usually paddle on one w/out. i agree that for the most part ruddering simply gives feet something to do (and it's kinda fun to have such control @ your toe-tips), but using your oar to steer is waaaaaaaaaaay cooler & better exercise.....go rudderless.
    • Re: Rudders?

      Thu, June 2, 2005 - 1:55 PM
      I'm looking at picking up a low end kayak at GI Joes (a sports franchise up here) for about $300 in a month, since I'm very close to a lake and could conceivably paddle every day. The one I'm looking at is rudderless, plan to rent various kayaks for other use for the next couple years.

      Thanks for your help, Jen and Dirk!
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        Re: Rudders?

        Thu, June 2, 2005 - 9:07 PM
        I kinda like the rudder on my kayak. Especially with wind on lakes it's just a nice enhancement :-)
        • Re: Rudders?

          Mon, June 27, 2005 - 11:45 AM
          I acquired a beginner's kayak a week ago (a Perception Swifty) and have had it out 3 times since. It has no rudder and that's been fine, though I've only used it on a small lake in the neighborhood.
          • Re: Rudders?

            Mon, June 27, 2005 - 11:56 AM
            The rudder is great when you are first starting out. But your world opens up when you learn the paddling techniques that enable you to steer and manouver without a rudder. Of course its personal perference and I can imagine there are some sea or wind/current conditions where a rudder would be helpful and make your exertions easier.
            Having said that, its when you understand what you can do with your paddle and strokes, it becomes a very cool experience that you want to do all your self and not rely on the rudder for help.

            Sort of like training wheels sort of...
            • Re: Rudders?

              Mon, June 27, 2005 - 12:02 PM
              <<Having said that, its when you understand what you can do with your paddle and strokes, it becomes a very cool experience that you want to do all your self and not rely on the rudder for help.>>

              I'll be interested in seeing how they teach paddle strokes in the class. The DVDs I've seen have showed fast, small circle strokes but I've enjoyed more sprinting moves (kind of an angled ellipse easing the paddle into the water and then pushing HARD). I guess a more regular rhythm would make more sense for distance paddling.

              <<Sort of like training wheels sort of... >>

              Heh heh.
  • Re: Rudders?

    Sat, July 2, 2005 - 7:25 PM
    I'm not big on rudders myself. However it should be said that the Pygmie kayaks that I use all have pretty good chines so that you don't really need a rudder. A skeg is useful though, or a sliding seat like the Mariner's.
  • Re: Rudders?

    Sun, July 3, 2005 - 10:16 AM
    For me, I really enjoy paddling without the rudder in smaller boats or in very calm water. However, my wife and I spend most of our time in the open ocean in 16-17ft boats. In this situation, having a rudder is invaluable merely for keeping your course and not having to fight current.
  • Re: Rudders?

    Mon, March 27, 2006 - 6:53 AM
    I've been Sea Kayaking about 10 years now. My first boat (Necky Looksha Sport - 14.5') I got a rudder assuming I needed one in wind/wave conditions to stop weathercocking. In fact, I found I almost never used it . Leaning and corrective strokes give you all the turning power you need, and the non-moving foot pedals give contact with the hull, which is the primary way to steer and "flow' with the hull and sea.

    On my second boat (Impex 18') I got a skeg. I play in relatively big stuff (sometimes up to 30 kt winds and five foot seas) and even in those ocnditions a skeg is fine for correcting weathercocking and leaves me with solid contact with the boat - a necessity in the bigger stuff. I find my ruddered boat increases weathercocking because I keep the rudder up and it tends to catch wind and push the bow upwind.

    In less demanding conditions (the majority of my paddling) a rudder is almost never needed once you learn leaning turns and good paddle technigue. A skeg takes all the weathercocking out and lets you move with the sea.

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